Michael wrote: Combichristoffersen wrote: Michael wrote:
One more thing: Allah also claims the throne as the 'One True God.' Why should one believe Yahweh over Allah? I mean, you have two superpowers claiming to be the tr00 god.

Yahweh, Jehovah and Allah is basically the same divine being, the names are just different, IIRC.

They make quite different claims.

That's because God likes to fuck with humans. God loves trolling us by telling different prophets different things, and watch mayhem ensue

I bet God jerks off to TP.

God is the ultimate Bad Dude.

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I have no idea, I just found it by googling

Jesus as a negro? WTF? Sure, he wasn't white, as he's typically portrayed as being, but he damn well wasn't black either

I guess Futureal likes reading theology, he quite said what I'd to say All in one book.

maiden's virus wrote: Futureal wrote: Michael wrote: Futureal wrote: Michael wrote: Futureal wrote: Michael wrote: Futureal wrote: O wrote: Futureal wrote: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:26-27)

1: What constitutes "us" here? Wasn't God the only one creating or was he schizophrenic?
2: Please answer my question above. I'd like to know.
By "us", God was referring to the three persons of the one God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three persons were involved in the creation of the world.
Jesus didn't exist before Mary gave birth to him, right? And what need had God of the Holy Spirit before the Fall? That makes no sense.
God has always been all three persons in one.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

By "The Word", John was referring to Jesus.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:1-2)

By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host. (Psalm 33:6)

This word for "breath" in Hebrew means "Spirit".

So, the Bible teaches that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have always been there since the beginning of time, and that they were all involved in the creation of the world. That's why all three persons of the one true God have always been necessary.

Was not Jesus created to die for our sins? Why'd God wait so long to put him on Earth, then, since the humans before the crucifying of Jesus would have had to go to Hell?
One of the major purposes for Jesus was to die for our sins, yes. As regards your particular question, it is important to realise that those who truly turned to the one true God will be saved from hell, and this has been the case since the world was created.

Also, remember that the Bible teaches that God has always been three persons simultaneously. Jesus has always existed along with the Father and the Holy Spirit, and they have always been one God.

When Jesus started physically preaching following growing up as a human, he was rejected by many people, Jewish or not Jewish. Those people were effectively rejecting God, as they were not trusting and accepting God the Son (Jesus). Such people were rejecting God.

Also, God's timing is perfect. Jesus was born into the world as a human at the precise time God wanted it to happen.

1. Wasn't the whole purpose of Jesus to bridge the gap between man and god created by sin? If Jesus was the only sinless man, and all sin seperates humans from the glory of God, then that would mean that EVERYONE before Jesus died went to Hell. Even Abraham, Job, and the other 'upright men' would have been included. This is commonly why there were illustrations and such in the middle ages of Jesus descending into Hell to take the faithful who died before he did up to Heaven with him.

2. Also, don't you think the concept of the Trinity, like other parts of christian belief, may be an elaborate metaphor for a deeper truth about God? I don't recall any mention of it in the Old Testament.

3. One more thing: Allah also claims the throne as the 'One True God.' Why should one believe Yahweh over Allah? I mean, you have two superpowers claiming to be the tr00 god.
1. The Word of God makes it clear that Jesus has always existed with the Father and the Holy Spirit, and that it was through him that creation took place. To be honest, I'm not sure what the Bible says about what happened to sinners before Jesus, so I can't comment much further on that issue. I'll seek some guidance on it, though.

2. That passage from Genesis makes it clear that the Holy Spirit was present in the beginning, and there are many passages in the Bible that make it clear that God is in three persons, but is still one God. I don't believe that the Holy Trinity is simply a metaphor. It doesn't matter if it isn't explicitly stated in the Old Testament; as a Christian, I believe the Old and New Testaments are true.

3. I know that God is real, because of how much God has influenced, protected and shaped my life over the years. It's in my heart and my soul. There are many false idols out there that people worship, and some of them are as convinced as I am that they're right.

But they're wrong.
what about the religious people who die of hunger, curable diseases, or kids with cancer?
god's protection my ass.

Protection from Hell, anyone? How much did he intervene in the deaths of the Christians in the Roman times? Christians are not afraid of death, because they know God is by their side.

Svante Kickelson-Lind wrote: maiden's virus wrote: Futureal wrote: Michael wrote: Futureal wrote: Michael wrote: Futureal wrote: Michael wrote: Futureal wrote: O wrote: Futureal wrote: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:26-27)

1: What constitutes "us" here? Wasn't God the only one creating or was he schizophrenic?
2: Please answer my question above. I'd like to know.
By "us", God was referring to the three persons of the one God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three persons were involved in the creation of the world.
Jesus didn't exist before Mary gave birth to him, right? And what need had God of the Holy Spirit before the Fall? That makes no sense.
God has always been all three persons in one.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

By "The Word", John was referring to Jesus.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:1-2)

By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host. (Psalm 33:6)

This word for "breath" in Hebrew means "Spirit".

So, the Bible teaches that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have always been there since the beginning of time, and that they were all involved in the creation of the world. That's why all three persons of the one true God have always been necessary.

Was not Jesus created to die for our sins? Why'd God wait so long to put him on Earth, then, since the humans before the crucifying of Jesus would have had to go to Hell?
One of the major purposes for Jesus was to die for our sins, yes. As regards your particular question, it is important to realise that those who truly turned to the one true God will be saved from hell, and this has been the case since the world was created.

Also, remember that the Bible teaches that God has always been three persons simultaneously. Jesus has always existed along with the Father and the Holy Spirit, and they have always been one God.

When Jesus started physically preaching following growing up as a human, he was rejected by many people, Jewish or not Jewish. Those people were effectively rejecting God, as they were not trusting and accepting God the Son (Jesus). Such people were rejecting God.

Also, God's timing is perfect. Jesus was born into the world as a human at the precise time God wanted it to happen.

1. Wasn't the whole purpose of Jesus to bridge the gap between man and god created by sin? If Jesus was the only sinless man, and all sin seperates humans from the glory of God, then that would mean that EVERYONE before Jesus died went to Hell. Even Abraham, Job, and the other 'upright men' would have been included. This is commonly why there were illustrations and such in the middle ages of Jesus descending into Hell to take the faithful who died before he did up to Heaven with him.

2. Also, don't you think the concept of the Trinity, like other parts of christian belief, may be an elaborate metaphor for a deeper truth about God? I don't recall any mention of it in the Old Testament.

3. One more thing: Allah also claims the throne as the 'One True God.' Why should one believe Yahweh over Allah? I mean, you have two superpowers claiming to be the tr00 god.
1. The Word of God makes it clear that Jesus has always existed with the Father and the Holy Spirit, and that it was through him that creation took place. To be honest, I'm not sure what the Bible says about what happened to sinners before Jesus, so I can't comment much further on that issue. I'll seek some guidance on it, though.

2. That passage from Genesis makes it clear that the Holy Spirit was present in the beginning, and there are many passages in the Bible that make it clear that God is in three persons, but is still one God. I don't believe that the Holy Trinity is simply a metaphor. It doesn't matter if it isn't explicitly stated in the Old Testament; as a Christian, I believe the Old and New Testaments are true.

3. I know that God is real, because of how much God has influenced, protected and shaped my life over the years. It's in my heart and my soul. There are many false idols out there that people worship, and some of them are as convinced as I am that they're right.

But they're wrong.
what about the religious people who die of hunger, curable diseases, or kids with cancer?
god's protection my ass.

Protection from Hell, anyone?

Combichristoffersen wrote: Michael wrote:
One more thing: Allah also claims the throne as the 'One True God.' Why should one believe Yahweh over Allah? I mean, you have two superpowers claiming to be the tr00 god.

Yahweh, Jehovah and Allah is basically the same divine being, the names are just different, IIRC.
Allah is not the same as the Christian God. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one gets to the Father except by me." If Allah does exist, at best he's a demon who makes Islam look attractive, in order to decieve people. If he doesn't exist, he's just a false idol.

Lagreca wrote: Futureal do you burn Bulls at the altar ? God likes the smile
Not that I'm aware of. But you never know, do you?

Futureal wrote: Combichristoffersen wrote: Michael wrote:
One more thing: Allah also claims the throne as the 'One True God.' Why should one believe Yahweh over Allah? I mean, you have two superpowers claiming to be the tr00 god.

Yahweh, Jehovah and Allah is basically the same divine being, the names are just different, IIRC.
Allah is not the same as the Christian God. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one gets to the Father except by me." If Allah does exist, at best he's a demon who makes Islam look attractive, in order to decieve people. If he doesn't exist, he's just a false idol.
You're very open minded

The Koran is exactly the same as the Old Testament, so Alah sure is the same as Yahweh. And Jesus also has a prominent role in the Koran, as a prophet, not as the son of God.

Muslims claim the New Testament is a falsified account of Jesus's life. And for all I know they could be right. Who knows for sure? No one.

Futureal wrote: Combichristoffersen wrote: Michael wrote:
One more thing: Allah also claims the throne as the 'One True God.' Why should one believe Yahweh over Allah? I mean, you have two superpowers claiming to be the tr00 god.

Yahweh, Jehovah and Allah is basically the same divine being, the names are just different, IIRC.
Allah is not the same as the Christian God. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No-one gets to the Father except by me." If Allah does exist, at best he's a demon who makes Islam look attractive, in order to decieve people. If he doesn't exist, he's just a false idol.

Well, Allah, as described by those who teach the Islamic faith, is not the same; the teachings of the religion are different. However, it is fairly commonly accepted - even among followers of the three Abrahamic religions - that the God they worship is the very same. What they disagree on are other matters, such as the way one should live his or her life to be closer to God. The difference is slightly lower in the hierarchy, so to speak. Muhammad taught the ways of God in a completely different way to Jesus, in such a way that is considered incorrect by Christians and Jews.